We're currently using Primal Quest to play a One Piece campaign (Pirate Quest :-) ). I was wondering if anybody had made anything for ship combat yet? We haven't gotten to the point we need it, and I've started something, but if somebody better than me already has something available...
Cool idea! You can switch into an existing system (like Pirate Borg, Limithron's Guide to Naval Combat for 5e, Oak & Iron, etc.). But I would encourage you to continue to develop your own system as only you know what you want to get out of it (there is nobody better than you to do this). Some players want a lot of simulated tactical movement with miniatures, others want more of an abstraction and just want to feel like they are contributing somehow to a naval battle (a la 7th Sea). Oftentimes people homebrew their naval battles based on their existing system (they just look at the ship as a character and apply similar rules to ships that they would a character).
I've been playing a lot of Pirate Borg lately, and let me tell you, I love how that flows from tactical ranged combat on a hex grid to boarding actions. The switch to melee on ship decks is effortless. It is the perfect balance of tactics and you don't have to manipulate 60 miniatures movement from one ship to the next. But there is no reason why you can't homebrew the Primal Quest Yin/Yang system to apply to ships in a way that you find satisfying.
Tem uma questão nos encontros aleatórios e tempo de viagem que precisa ser revisada. Rolar para um encontro aleatório a cada 30 minutos é demais! Se posso viajar um hex a cada 6 horas seriam muitos encontros para apenas 1 hex. E viajar um hex a cada 6 horas talvez seja relativo, talvez 1 hex por dia faça mais sentido, e uma ou duas rolagens de encontro por hex também. Ou rolar um encontro para sair de um hex e outro para entrar no próximo, isso é um tempo de viagem de um dia, contanto tempo para poder caçar e descansar nessa viagem de um hex a outro. Acredito que o sistema faça mais sentido em um hexcrawl que um dungeon crawl, não sei se seria muito interessante tem um mundo da idade da pedra cheio de megadungeons, até mesmo os dreamdungeons seriam algo mais especial. Então talvez encontros a cada 30 minutos façam mais sentido no dungeon, mas ainda assim seria melhor revisar isso.
Tb tem outra questão sobre os descansos. Descansar apenas 10 minutos para recuperar 1d3 + Coração é muito pouco tempo. Vejo que seria necessário o que é descrito como descanso longo para isso ficar mais justo. E o descanso longo seria um dia e noite inteiros. Senão ao meu ver fica muito desbalanceado. E isso conversa com oq falei sobre o tempo de viagem e encontros. Se eu tenho 2 em Coração e tiro 3 no d3, vou recuperar 5 em 10 minutos? 5 para um personagem de Vitalidade 10 seria um ferimento bem grave.
Você faz bons pontos. É uma sorte que tudo no livro seja uma sugestão e os jogadores devem mudar as regras como acharem melhor. Nenhum sistema de regras é perfeito para todos. A responsabilidade é sempre dos jogadores para fazer o jogo que eles querem. Suas soluções propostas parecem razoáveis. Você tem um bom começo em moldar o jogo de acordo com suas preferências.
Não estou convencido de que algo nas regras sugeridas precise mudar. Elas fornecem muitas ideias e inspiração para os jogadores considerarem. Cada jogador solo ou grupo de jogadores é capaz de moldar o jogo de acordo com suas preferências.
Sim, concordo, e com certeza acredito que todo sistema de RPG é assim, ainda mais se for jogar solo que é o meu caso.
Mas ao meu ver os sistemas emergentes precisam de jogadores para testar e sim, precisam mudar e se aprimorar. Então ainda acho a regra de encontros a cada 30 minutos bem quebrada para o sistema. É estranho deixar algo no sistema afirmando que isso pode ser mudado, sendo que todos vão mudar e ninguém vai jogar com a regra original, não me parece sensato.
Por exemplo, encontros a cada 30 minutos indicam 48 encontros em um dia de 24 horas, ou se deixarmos apenas 12 horas, teríamos 24 encontros por dia. Mas levando em consideração que a noite nesse mundo também é perigosa, é mais encontros atrás de encontros. E se você se move 6 horas de um hex a outro, seriam 12 encontros em apenas 1 hex. Nada disso faz sentido para mim e não vejo apenas como uma questão de adaptação, mas sim como uma falha que precisa ser revisada.
FERAL is now available from Exalted Funeral. It is formatted with great art and layout and quite a bit easier to follow than the draft. It provides a basic procedure and a very thorough overview of solo gaming and introduction into some new innovative concepts such as creating your own scaled tables and tags. You can use as much or little of it as you want. It has massive application outside of Primal Quest. You could run any solo game using ideas from this zine. Highly recommend it if you are into solo gaming at all.
I'm going to give the barebones FERAL draft a go. I can already tell it is filled with all sorts of great solo tools and ideas. Looking forward to the day this is released as a zine with cool art and layout.
Tell me when and where and I will pelt you with cash. Would also love to get my hands on a book of character sheets but those seem to be out of print everywhere.
You could. boons are kinda like krits but with a bit more versatility and can do a lot of stuff and happen side by side with other effects of the test, including setbacks.
Hello! I wanted to post for anyone using Primal Quest on Foundry with the following guide:
Primal Box is built on the Sandbox System, which has not been updated to v 10 (and definately not 11).
In order to make it work you will need to roll your version of foundry back to version 0.8.9, this is very easy in FORGE, because it lets you swap back and forth between foundry versions.
If you would like to use the World Explorer mod to facilitate the Hexcrawl, you will need to install version 0.1.1 of World Explorer. Which again, juggling various editions of Mods is easier on Forge, but doable on foundry. (and of course if you don't use World Explorer on anything else, you won't need to juggle versions
2023 is the year of Primal Quest. I believe it could be the next big thing. I look forward to seeing even more 3rd party content. Maybe even some cross collaboration with some other TTRPG platforms? PQ x Troika...PQ x 9 Lives to Valhalla.
Thank you very much. I have to say I am very pleased with it. Very simple yet can do many things and is very versatile. Easy to play but can take a while to explore everything, and the possibilities are endless. :)
Primal Quest is an osr stone age ttrpg with an easy to learn system, beautiful lurid red art, and a complete hexcrawl included.
The PDF 30 pages, and those 30 pages feel extremely meaty.
Lore-wise, Primal Quest takes place in a world where early humans and dinosaurs co-inhabit the earth. Fire and flint are new technologies. Humans congregate in small bands. And the world is violent and strange.
System-wise, Primal Quest uses sort of a weird core mechanic. To resolve a check, you roll a pool of positive dice and a pool of negative dice, count only the highest, subtract the highest negative from the highest positive, and then compare the remainder + Attribute against a Target Number. Dice are d6s, so as the pools get bigger, the odds of rolling a net 0 get higher. Rolling 6s on positive dice does generate a currency that lets you influence rolls and make them easier, but rolling 6s on negative dice generates a currency that lets the GM make your life harder. This feels to me like it's almost on the cusp of being diceless, but it's definitely a stable system and fiddling with the currencies feels fun.
Character creation is simple and solid. You have three attributes (body, heart, mind) and assign a small pool of points between them. You also define who your character is, what they care about, and what holds them back. Equipment is a little more complex, and you track torches, rope, food, water, etc, but carrying capacities are high and the penalty for going overburden isn't too onerous.
Trade is interesting, in that money is nearly unheard of so mostly you're bartering with resources, but the resource values for a lot of common stuff aren't defined. This kind of turns each exchange into an in-character assessment of whether the trade feels fair, which is flavorful and neat.
XP is pretty granular. You gain points often, simply by interacting with the game's systems, but you need a lot of points to buy advances.
Combat uses the same core dice system as the rest of the game, but also allows you to move forward and back in range bands.
Magic is relatively freeform---you combine a few keywords, tell the GM what you're trying to do, and the GM adjudicates the effect.
For GMs, there's quite a few resources in the book. There's a link to a safety toolkit at the start, there's advice on how to tailor your GMing to the system, there's reaction tables, rules for exploration and camping, and again there's a full hexcrawl scenario just waiting for you to run it.
The scenario, Mother's Vale, is beautifully mapped and has a nice balance between points of interest and empty tiles. The plot is very open-ended, but there's lots of trouble to get into and different communities to interact with, as well as a good helping of wild creatures to fight. If you like games like Skyrim and Fallout that just drop you into a huge sandbox and let you explore, you'll enjoy the feeling of this scenario.
Overall, Primal Quest Essentials is a great, meaty, lightweight game delightfully ahistorical stone age pulp. If you like old school games that experiment a bit with their mechanics, and especially if you like flinging spears and chanting fireballs at giant dinosaurs, give this a go.
I don’t know if you came up with this system for Primal Quest or Sword Quest but it’s so cool and weird. You have two different color dice and from seeing them you instantly get the feeling that this is gonna go really well, or really bad
I came up just thinking about cool ways to play with d6 and made Sword Quest for a one page RPG Jam and expanded it with Primal Quest! Quite proud of this one. I think it’s the best system I’ve made until today.
Hey Diogo, I was trying to join your Patreon to get the World of Thaia updates, but the links I am finding don't bring me to a proper creator page, and the search function on patreon is also failing me. I feel dumb, please send help.
Hey, I am sorry! I don’t have a Patreon anymore. I couldn’t make it work when I tried the first time. I will try again someday. Sorry if I still left links somewhere.
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We're currently using Primal Quest to play a One Piece campaign (Pirate Quest :-) ). I was wondering if anybody had made anything for ship combat yet? We haven't gotten to the point we need it, and I've started something, but if somebody better than me already has something available...
Cool idea! You can switch into an existing system (like Pirate Borg, Limithron's Guide to Naval Combat for 5e, Oak & Iron, etc.). But I would encourage you to continue to develop your own system as only you know what you want to get out of it (there is nobody better than you to do this). Some players want a lot of simulated tactical movement with miniatures, others want more of an abstraction and just want to feel like they are contributing somehow to a naval battle (a la 7th Sea). Oftentimes people homebrew their naval battles based on their existing system (they just look at the ship as a character and apply similar rules to ships that they would a character).
I've been playing a lot of Pirate Borg lately, and let me tell you, I love how that flows from tactical ranged combat on a hex grid to boarding actions. The switch to melee on ship decks is effortless. It is the perfect balance of tactics and you don't have to manipulate 60 miniatures movement from one ship to the next. But there is no reason why you can't homebrew the Primal Quest Yin/Yang system to apply to ships in a way that you find satisfying.
Tem uma questão nos encontros aleatórios e tempo de viagem que precisa ser revisada. Rolar para um encontro aleatório a cada 30 minutos é demais! Se posso viajar um hex a cada 6 horas seriam muitos encontros para apenas 1 hex. E viajar um hex a cada 6 horas talvez seja relativo, talvez 1 hex por dia faça mais sentido, e uma ou duas rolagens de encontro por hex também. Ou rolar um encontro para sair de um hex e outro para entrar no próximo, isso é um tempo de viagem de um dia, contanto tempo para poder caçar e descansar nessa viagem de um hex a outro.
Acredito que o sistema faça mais sentido em um hexcrawl que um dungeon crawl, não sei se seria muito interessante tem um mundo da idade da pedra cheio de megadungeons, até mesmo os dreamdungeons seriam algo mais especial. Então talvez encontros a cada 30 minutos façam mais sentido no dungeon, mas ainda assim seria melhor revisar isso.
Tb tem outra questão sobre os descansos. Descansar apenas 10 minutos para recuperar 1d3 + Coração é muito pouco tempo. Vejo que seria necessário o que é descrito como descanso longo para isso ficar mais justo. E o descanso longo seria um dia e noite inteiros. Senão ao meu ver fica muito desbalanceado. E isso conversa com oq falei sobre o tempo de viagem e encontros. Se eu tenho 2 em Coração e tiro 3 no d3, vou recuperar 5 em 10 minutos? 5 para um personagem de Vitalidade 10 seria um ferimento bem grave.
Você faz bons pontos. É uma sorte que tudo no livro seja uma sugestão e os jogadores devem mudar as regras como acharem melhor. Nenhum sistema de regras é perfeito para todos. A responsabilidade é sempre dos jogadores para fazer o jogo que eles querem. Suas soluções propostas parecem razoáveis. Você tem um bom começo em moldar o jogo de acordo com suas preferências.
Não estou convencido de que algo nas regras sugeridas precise mudar. Elas fornecem muitas ideias e inspiração para os jogadores considerarem. Cada jogador solo ou grupo de jogadores é capaz de moldar o jogo de acordo com suas preferências.
Sim, concordo, e com certeza acredito que todo sistema de RPG é assim, ainda mais se for jogar solo que é o meu caso.
Mas ao meu ver os sistemas emergentes precisam de jogadores para testar e sim, precisam mudar e se aprimorar. Então ainda acho a regra de encontros a cada 30 minutos bem quebrada para o sistema. É estranho deixar algo no sistema afirmando que isso pode ser mudado, sendo que todos vão mudar e ninguém vai jogar com a regra original, não me parece sensato.
Por exemplo, encontros a cada 30 minutos indicam 48 encontros em um dia de 24 horas, ou se deixarmos apenas 12 horas, teríamos 24 encontros por dia. Mas levando em consideração que a noite nesse mundo também é perigosa, é mais encontros atrás de encontros. E se você se move 6 horas de um hex a outro, seriam 12 encontros em apenas 1 hex. Nada disso faz sentido para mim e não vejo apenas como uma questão de adaptação, mas sim como uma falha que precisa ser revisada.
Curioso. Qual é a versão BR? Não estou familiarizado com essa sigla.
Brazilian Portuguese version.
FERAL is now available from Exalted Funeral. It is formatted with great art and layout and quite a bit easier to follow than the draft. It provides a basic procedure and a very thorough overview of solo gaming and introduction into some new innovative concepts such as creating your own scaled tables and tags. You can use as much or little of it as you want. It has massive application outside of Primal Quest. You could run any solo game using ideas from this zine. Highly recommend it if you are into solo gaming at all.
Exalted Funeral has a new sturdy quad panel Primal Quest Screen with awesome art on the outside and helpful quick reference stuff on the inside!
I'm going to give the barebones FERAL draft a go. I can already tell it is filled with all sorts of great solo tools and ideas. Looking forward to the day this is released as a zine with cool art and layout.
Where can I find FERAL ?
Get FERAL here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EP5g3rMItIjUgYTPGBIlUS8vGPsAqJEK/edit?usp=sh...
I couldn't find any place to buy Character Sheet pads so I had a print shop make some. These are 25 sheets per pad. Now I think we're ready to game!
Where can I order some of those Primal Character sheet pads?
Been enjoying a handful of 'all in one book' solo rpgs lately. Hoping to see this get those solo rules in a fuller edition too!
Any update on solo rules?
Did solo rules ever get created?
Yes. They are about to come out in a nice zine that doubles as Solo/GMLess/Improvisational toolkit I am very proud of!
Will I find it here? Or where should I keep an eye out?
Tell me when and where and I will pelt you with cash. Would also love to get my hands on a book of character sheets but those seem to be out of print everywhere.
Hey Diogo, if you don't have time to get the Solo toolkit printed as a zine, would you consider releasing what you have as PDF?
I'm not sure I understand boons correctly. If you used a boon on a test, could you add your attribute twice?
You could. boons are kinda like krits but with a bit more versatility and can do a lot of stuff and happen side by side with other effects of the test, including setbacks.
Cant wait to play solo
Hello! I wanted to post for anyone using Primal Quest on Foundry with the following guide:
If you would like to use the World Explorer mod to facilitate the Hexcrawl, you will need to install version 0.1.1 of World Explorer. Which again, juggling various editions of Mods is easier on Forge, but doable on foundry. (and of course if you don't use World Explorer on anything else, you won't need to juggle versions
Now go forth and play Primal Quest on Foundry!
Is their a Discord for Primal Quest?
2023 is the year of Primal Quest. I believe it could be the next big thing. I look forward to seeing even more 3rd party content. Maybe even some cross collaboration with some other TTRPG platforms? PQ x Troika...PQ x 9 Lives to Valhalla.
I would very much like that! There’s a lot going on for Primal Quest behind the veil, but it’s annoyingly taking a lot of work to finish stuff!
Collaborations would be amazing. I had an idea for a Mothership/Primal Quest module with xeno-trex creature.
A Mothership/Primal Quest module would be amazing!
Vai rolar impresso BR, Diogão?
I heard a rumor that a solo mode is coming. Any idea of the timeline?
It's written and it's on editing. Cover is being done by Nicolás Giacondino.
You can check the draft text here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EP5g3rMItIjUgYTPGBIlUS8vGPsAqJEK/edit?usp=sh...
This game is a very impressive! Excelent for veterans and initiants!
Thank you very much. I have to say I am very pleased with it. Very simple yet can do many things and is very versatile. Easy to play but can take a while to explore everything, and the possibilities are endless. :)
As a new itch user, it was not obvious to me how many players this game supports. I’m really new to TTRPG, is this 2+ players?
sorry for the delayed reply. This is a game best played with 3 or more people. But we are making a supplement for Solo play as well!
how that solo play coming along
Hello,
Great game. I have just one little remarks. There is a little typo at the start of the Equipment paragraph with a missing space (thisdoes)
I am waiting for more stuff for that game !
noted! I think we fixed it!
cool. i bought the cave scenario and i'm waiying for my kids to play it. i can't wait for the zine to be published.
Primal Quest is an osr stone age ttrpg with an easy to learn system, beautiful lurid red art, and a complete hexcrawl included.
The PDF 30 pages, and those 30 pages feel extremely meaty.
Lore-wise, Primal Quest takes place in a world where early humans and dinosaurs co-inhabit the earth. Fire and flint are new technologies. Humans congregate in small bands. And the world is violent and strange.
System-wise, Primal Quest uses sort of a weird core mechanic. To resolve a check, you roll a pool of positive dice and a pool of negative dice, count only the highest, subtract the highest negative from the highest positive, and then compare the remainder + Attribute against a Target Number. Dice are d6s, so as the pools get bigger, the odds of rolling a net 0 get higher. Rolling 6s on positive dice does generate a currency that lets you influence rolls and make them easier, but rolling 6s on negative dice generates a currency that lets the GM make your life harder. This feels to me like it's almost on the cusp of being diceless, but it's definitely a stable system and fiddling with the currencies feels fun.
Character creation is simple and solid. You have three attributes (body, heart, mind) and assign a small pool of points between them. You also define who your character is, what they care about, and what holds them back. Equipment is a little more complex, and you track torches, rope, food, water, etc, but carrying capacities are high and the penalty for going overburden isn't too onerous.
Trade is interesting, in that money is nearly unheard of so mostly you're bartering with resources, but the resource values for a lot of common stuff aren't defined. This kind of turns each exchange into an in-character assessment of whether the trade feels fair, which is flavorful and neat.
XP is pretty granular. You gain points often, simply by interacting with the game's systems, but you need a lot of points to buy advances.
Combat uses the same core dice system as the rest of the game, but also allows you to move forward and back in range bands.
Magic is relatively freeform---you combine a few keywords, tell the GM what you're trying to do, and the GM adjudicates the effect.
For GMs, there's quite a few resources in the book. There's a link to a safety toolkit at the start, there's advice on how to tailor your GMing to the system, there's reaction tables, rules for exploration and camping, and again there's a full hexcrawl scenario just waiting for you to run it.
The scenario, Mother's Vale, is beautifully mapped and has a nice balance between points of interest and empty tiles. The plot is very open-ended, but there's lots of trouble to get into and different communities to interact with, as well as a good helping of wild creatures to fight. If you like games like Skyrim and Fallout that just drop you into a huge sandbox and let you explore, you'll enjoy the feeling of this scenario.
Overall, Primal Quest Essentials is a great, meaty, lightweight game delightfully ahistorical stone age pulp. If you like old school games that experiment a bit with their mechanics, and especially if you like flinging spears and chanting fireballs at giant dinosaurs, give this a go.
Thanks a lot for the deep review of the game! Would love to see your impressions after a few games!
Is this game getting a OldSkull engine version too?
Unlikely, but who knows. I plan on adapting it to More Borg, DCC RPG, maybe 5e? But would hire people to do so.
This is the Stone & Sorcery game you never knew you needed it!
The system is simple but solid and the setting is amazing!
Now go get your bone club to smash some dinosaurs!!!
any chance for a physical print? this is so beautiful! great work on all of the design.
absolutely! Print run is coming through Exalted Funeral in a few weeks!
Awesome! Will we get an update here notifying us?
absolutely!
Omg yaaaaaaay 83
I don’t know if you came up with this system for Primal Quest or Sword Quest but it’s so cool and weird. You have two different color dice and from seeing them you instantly get the feeling that this is gonna go really well, or really bad
I came up just thinking about cool ways to play with d6 and made Sword Quest for a one page RPG Jam and expanded it with Primal Quest! Quite proud of this one. I think it’s the best system I’ve made until today.
Hey Diogo, I was trying to join your Patreon to get the World of Thaia updates, but the links I am finding don't bring me to a proper creator page, and the search function on patreon is also failing me. I feel dumb, please send help.
Hey, I am sorry! I don’t have a Patreon anymore. I couldn’t make it work when I tried the first time. I will try again someday. Sorry if I still left links somewhere.
That's great! It means I'm not a total idiot! :-)
is there any solo plans?
Certainly, if I can I will contact some designer with solid Solo experience to work with on some Solo Quest rules!
Beautiful work!
Thank you!
Vou fazer igual o Diogão e fazer uns diários de aventuras de Primal Quest
poxa! Faz sim!!!!
instant buy-can't wait to check it out in more detail. Is this something you plan on eventually putting in print?
Thank you for checking this out! And yes, print copies will be available soon from Exalted Funeral!
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It should work now. Thank you for reporting this.